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Built just rolled out three
new credit cards and a brand new currency
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called built cash, and the internet
immediately lost its mind.
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It was so complicated
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it left even points and miles
professionals scratching their heads.
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Now that the dust has settled a bit,
we want to look at builds, new cards,
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and the Build Cash program
to see what the big picture looks like.
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So is built 2.0 a total disaster
or are we all missing
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something important here?
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Hey I'm Chris.
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Welcome to the Upgraded Points podcast.
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And I'm Katie.
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And today we have some Priority Pass
app news.
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We've got an update on is Citi
and Barclays American Airlines
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card transition.
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And we are diving in to the build
2.0 program.
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Before we get to that, as always, don't
forget to like
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So, if any of you follow Chris on social,
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you realize that
he just got back from Japan
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and I'm sure you're really interested
in hearing about his trip, I know I am.
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We are going to dive into that
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next week's episode,
so be sure to tune back in for that.
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But we have a lot of stuff to talk about,
and it just did not fit in this week.
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Yeah, I think, some news broke
while I was in Japan.
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2.0 yeah.
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Something small.
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And you know.
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Fun to try and keep track of
with the jet lag.
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Yeah. Yes.
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Chris just got back yesterday,
so forgive him if he's a little fussy.
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Yeah. So we're recording this at 1 a.m..
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Just kidding.
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All right,
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well,
let's start with this new Priority Pass
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Plus app that
that is rolling out gradually.
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So eventually the original Priority Pass
app will be phased out
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in this new Priority Pass
Plus will be implemented.
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Not everyone has access to it yet,
but what I'm
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particularly excited about
is you're going to have the option
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to add multiple priority
pass memberships to this app.
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So now Katie and I
and many people in this hobby,
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if you have a premium credit card
that comes with Priority Pass,
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each one will give you its own membership
and membership number.
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And that will come with a variety
of benefits like getting into Chase
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Sapphire Lounges
and you get those once per calendar year.
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So now instead of logging in
and logging out of your app,
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memorizing your numbers or logins,
whatever,
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one app will be able to manage
all of your memberships.
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So now you can just easily swap
between those next time
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you get into a lounge,
which I think is a really nice feature.
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Yeah, that's going to be a great update.
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That Priority Pass app
was not not amazing up until now.
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So I'm really excited
to see this, this update.
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So that's great now. Yeah. Me too. Yeah.
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So we have known for quite a while
that, American Airlines
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is moving
solely to Citi as their card issuer.
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And dropping Barclays.
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That is not news.
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But what is news is
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we don't know a little bit more about
how that's going to work and the timeline.
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So, Citi products will convert on
or I'm sorry,
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Barclays products will convert to Citi on
April 24th.
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Citi says the, current card
holders will get their new card
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within six weeks, 6 to 8 weeks after that.
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So I think if you still have your Barclays
card, I'm assuming it'll still work,
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but it'll kind of behind the scenes
be a city card at that point.
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So everyone should have
their new cards by mid-June.
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If you have a Barclays American Airlines
card,
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you will be automatically transitioned
to a city card.
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And we now know what
that's gonna look like.
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So if you have the old aviator world
elite Mastercard,
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you will get the American Airlines
AAdvantage miles up card
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if you have the Aviator World Elite Blue
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Mastercard, which has not been available
for quite a while.
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So I'm sure there's not a ton
of these floating around.
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You will get the City Advantage
Gold Mastercard
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for those of you with the aviator
Red World Elite Mastercard,
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you will be transitioned to the City
Advantage Platinum
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Select, World Elite Mastercard,
the Aviator Silver Card
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will get the new, Citi
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AAdvantage globe card,
and then those of you with the aviator
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business will be transitioned
to the city business card.
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If you have
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already an American Airlines Citi card,
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and you now are going to have a duplicate
because of a Barclays card,
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you can contact Citi
and have those cards linked to kind of,
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ease that transition and then,
the good news is you won't be excluded
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from a welcome bonus if you're transferred
into one of those cards.
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So that's really great news.
It sounds like that's great news.
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This is going to.
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We're worried about that. Yeah. Yeah.
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It sounds like this transition
will be hopefully as smooth as it can be.
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Yeah. Great news
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okay Chris it's time we.
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Really. We got to dive into this okay.
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So as I'm sure a lot of,
you know, last month Bill
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introduced three new credit cards
and a new currency called Bill to cash.
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Almost immediately,
everyone kind of lost their mind
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and noticed
how complicated the program was.
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The New York Times even said, quote,
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it is the most complicated reward system
we have ever seen.
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And I completely agree with you.
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Not only that, but the Bill loyalists,
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those of us who have been fans for years
felt like Bilt
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founding principle, you know, earning
points on rent and then a mortgage,
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without transaction fees disappeared.
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And so while now you can technically,
earn points on your rent and mortgage,
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now without a fee, it's not as simple
or straightforward as it once was.
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So today
we're going to give you a clear breakdown.
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There's no hype, no panic, just the facts.
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But yeah, right now
you can earn unlimited points on rent
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and mortgage even more than one property,
which is.
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That is awesome. Okay.
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There's no question about that.
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But there is a 3% transaction
fee on rent payments.
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If you want to earn
points on those payments,
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you can waive that fee.
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However, by spending on those built cards
that we're going to talk about
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and applying this new built cash
to waive the fee.
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So let's dive into these cards
that we want to earn those bill cash with.
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Okay.
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So these, three new cards
are going to talk about our,
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active as of a couple days
ago, February or February 7th.
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Excuse me.
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These new cards are issued by card lists
instead of Wells Fargo,
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which is the bank
that issued the old Bilt Mastercard.
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If you were a previous card holder,
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and chose to transition,
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your new card has been, quote,
turned on as a couple days ago.
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And if you were opted
to not get a new build credit card,
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you're staying with Wells Fargo.
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You now have a Wells Fargo autograph card.
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So let's
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start with the first card,
which is a no annual fee card.
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Isn't it always nice to have a
no annual fee card?
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This card is the built blue card.
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It earns, up to one point on rent
and mortgage payments,
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and then one ex points plus 4% cash
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back in built cash on everyday spending.
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The perks for this card are pretty limited
for a nominal fee card,
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as expected, but no annual, no foreign
transaction fees, no annual fees.
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And it does come with a welcome offer,
which is not something we have seen on the
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previous, card.
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The 1.0,
the welcome offer is $100 of built cash.
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When you apply and get approved,
that's enough to unlock
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$3,333.34 worth of housing payments,
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at one ex earnings,
while avoiding the 3% transaction fees.
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One thing to note, your mortgage
and rent comes out of your bank account,
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so even though you're charging it
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to your account, it won't count against
your credit limit, which is pretty nice.
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Yeah.
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And the other thing to note,
and we're going to talk about this
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in our next segment,
built cash is not exactly cash back.
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So just think of it as built cash.
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That's okay I just wanted to be clear.
Thank you.
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So you are not getting 4% cash back.
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You're getting 4% milk.
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Cash, which you may not be. Yeah.
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Okay. So,
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next one is the built obsidian card.
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This is a $95 annual fee card.
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That's a real nice
sweet spot in annual fees.
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We love that.
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We just talked
about a whole bunch of those last week.
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You can earn up to one point
per dollar on rent and mortgage payments.
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Three points per dollar plus 4% cash.
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Built cash on your choice
of dining or grocery spending.
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I almost did it there.
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Each year, up to $25,000 in purchases.
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And that is, you can choose your category,
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but you can only change it
once per year in January.
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So it's not quite as simple as, like,
you know, this month
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I want dining, this next month
I want grocery.
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It's for the whole year.
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It defaults to dining. I believe.
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I read somewhere, but I'm assuming
when you get the card, not in January.
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You can still choose grocery.
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It also earns two
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points per dollar
plus 4% billed cash on travel spending
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and one point per dollar on everything
else, plus
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4% in built cash.
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This one has a couple little perks.
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You do get a $100 and build travel
credits towards hotel bookings each year,
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and that's up to $50, for each
half of the year.
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These stays require two nights,
so it's a very similar structure
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to what we've seen on a lot of other
cards.
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Just, you know, 50
bucks could could come in handy.
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You never know. Yeah.
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And then it does
also have a welcome offer.
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You can earn $200 in built cash
when you apply and get approved,
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and that is enough to unlock 600 and
or $6,666.67 worth of housing payments,
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at one
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point per dollar earnings.
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Okay, so you got that full.
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Circle, right?
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Well, now here is the top tier card
that they are offering.
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And this one is at least
getting some positive feedback.
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This is the built Palladium card.
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This has a $495 annual fee.
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Now this credit card will earn one point,
on rent and mortgage payments.
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And then two points plus 4% build cash,
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build cash on everyday spending.
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I'm going to repeat that so you'll get.
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You should have a little disclaimer
at the bottom.
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Yeah. Built cash is not cash back.
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Earn one point on rent and mortgage.
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Awesome.
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Earn two points plus 4%.
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Build cash on everyday spending.
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Okay, so the perks for this and builds
playing card.
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You can, earn up to $400 and build
travel credits towards hotel bookings.
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That's available as up to $200 in each
half of the year.
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Same as the other card.
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Minimum two night
minimum two night stay, $200 and build
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cash deposited into your account annually.
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So that's enough to unlock
that same $6,666.67
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worth of housing payments
at one ex earnings.
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That would be to avoid the 3% fee.
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And it comes with party pass membership.
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So always nice to have
another one of those in your wallet.
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This card comes with a welcome offer.
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And this has a 50,000 points
after spending 4000 on non
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housing expenses
in the first three months.
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Plus, you get gold
elite status and $300 built cash
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when you apply and get approved.
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So that's $50,000 rewards points.
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And we love build
reward points around here.
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So this card is already looking
pretty good.
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But as you can see it's pretty confusing.
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And so immediately after announcing
all of this, and all the, you know,
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the backlash the build received online,
they came out built 2.1 K.
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Do you want to cover that one?
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Yes. And, we are not exaggerating.
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Literally two days after they introduced
this, they kind of like, oh no.
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Whoa, whoa, here.
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And we realize it's complicated
or we hear you saying, it's complicated.
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How about this?
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To help things be easier
and instead of simplifying the program,
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they just added a parallel program
that you can choose,
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which just adds to the complexity
of this whole, this whole program.
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So yeah, I,
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I don't know what they were thinking,
but let's,
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let's go through the second program
that we are dubbing where we are not
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the whole industry is dubbing built 2.1.
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So instead
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of what we talked about on those cards,
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you can pay your rent or mortgage
each month with your bill, credit card
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with no fee and choose to earn rewards
instead of bill cash.
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But the amount of rewards
you earn depends on how much you spend on
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non housing purchases
each month with your bill, card.
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So let's take a look
at some of the numbers.
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For let's say a $2,000 rent
or mortgage per month
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if you put 25% of that number.
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So $500 in non
housing spend on your card in the month,
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you will earn half a point
per dollar on that rent or mortgage.
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Spend.
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If you put 50% so a thousand
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you would earn 0.75 points per dollar.
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If you put 75% of that $2,000 monthly
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payment in non housing spend on the card,
you'll earn one point per dollar.
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And then if you put 100% of your monthly
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housing
spend on your card in non housing spend.
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So you have a $2,000 mortgage,
you put $2,000 on the card.
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In a month you'll earn 1.25 points
per dollar if you don't meet any of those,
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minimum spending thresholds,
you will receive 250 bill points.
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You can switch between these two easy
to use, symptoms or symptoms.
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If you can't,
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you can
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choose between these two systems,
at any time.
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And your change will take effect
the following month.
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So super easy to understand, right?
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Super.
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You know, and I kind of think like,
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yes, this this second program
makes it way more complicated.
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Like, why didn't they come out with
something like,
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like if they had just come out
with a second program,
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it would probably still have gotten
a lot of criticism, but nowhere near
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what it got with the regular build 2.0. So
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again,
I don't know what they were thinking,
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but you do have this second, second option
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to earn points on your rent or mortgage.
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So with that, let's take a quick break.
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Everyone's going to process this for
a few seconds, and then we will come back
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and we are going to dive into built cash
and how to use this built cash.
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Okay.
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Welcome back.
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So we've covered, the new bill credit
cards.
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Bill 2.0.
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And Katie went over Bill 2.1.
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But let's dive into built cash
and what it is
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and where you can use it for.
And pretty much
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it's a new currency that can be used
inside the built ecosystem.
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All new Bill rewards credit cards earn 4%
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back in the form of bill cash on all
non housing spending.
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So your everyday spending bill members
even those without a bill credit card
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can earn $50 and build cash built cash
each time
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they achieve a 25,000 point
status milestone.
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But there's a problem.
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This bill cash expires
each year on December 31st,
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and you can only roll over a maximum of
$100 of your bill cash into the next year.
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Yeah, I don't love that.
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And, like, why isn't it just expire
after year if you have to have it expire?
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Because you could earn Bill
cash on December 1st and that bill cash
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expires at the end of the month.
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So I hope that's maybe something they will
look at and adjust going forward.
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Yeah. Okay.
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So let's talk
about how this bill cash can be used.
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The big news is it can be
used on your rent or mortgage payments
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to waive the 3% fee that you need to pay
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to earn points on your rent or mortgage.
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And so you redeem $3 of Bill
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cash, which unlocks
100 points on housing payments.
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That doesn't make any sense to me.
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So we've had some other people do
the math.
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I'm really happy I wasn't one
that had to write all these news articles.
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So shout out to
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Nick and Juan and Ryan, I
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think, who wrote the bulk of these,
articles. Who?
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Those guys. Yeah.
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So the number that you need to know is 75%
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if you use your built credit card on non
housing purchases, that total
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at least 75% of your housing payment,
that will generate enough bill cash
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to cover the 3% fee
you have to pay to earn
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one point
per dollar on your housing payment.
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So if you have $1,000 rent or mortgage,
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you need to spend $750 in other expenses
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to earn one point per dollar
on that thousand dollar rent or mortgage.
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If you have $2,000,
you have to spend $1,500
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in other purchases every single month
to earn enough bill cash to earn one point
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per dollar on that $2,000 rent
or mortgage payment.
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Yeah.
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So that is obviously, you know, the most
attractive way to use your built cash.
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You want to waive that fee, get
those points on your rent and mortgage.
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That's awesome.
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But for someone that is, you know, maybe
putting a lot of spend on your built card
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and you have some extra bill cash that
doesn't go towards your, your, 3% fee.
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You can also use billed cash
in a variety of other ways.
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And after the launch
we got all this information.
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But you can use your bill
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cash on dining, travel, transportation,
health and wellness, entertainment
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options, a whole bunch of stuff
inside the built ecosystem.
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I'll list off a few examples here.
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You can
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get it for up to $10 off per month
for Grubhub, groceries or food deliveries.
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A lot of us do that, so that's great.
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Up to $5 per month on built home
delivery powered by Gopuff.
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Okay, up to $25, on one visit per month
at bill
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dining locations, $50 to $100 per month.
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Based on your status for hotel
stays in the built app,
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you could also use your built cash
to unlock higher transfer
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bonuses on rent day, which is interesting.
00:19:12:23 - 00:19:14:18
Up to $350 per seat.
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That's two times per year. For blade.
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Very cool.
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One fitness class. Up to $40 per month.
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Booked through the built app.
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Up to $10 per month at Walgreens.
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And those with the build obsidian card
and the built, Palladium card
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can redeem $200 and built cash
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to unlock an additional one
point on everyday spend.
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So that's up to
5000 spent after activation.
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Yeah, we
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have articles listing all of a sudden
or you have to memorize all this.
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Go have a lot of links
in the show for you.
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That's all that is cool.
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And you can activate this accelerated
earning rate up to five times per year. It
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expires after the 5000 spending threshold
is met or the calendar year ends.
00:20:00:20 - 00:20:04:20
Oh, Katie, is it worth it?
00:20:05:23 - 00:20:08:08
Oh, that is a loaded question, Chris.
00:20:08:08 - 00:20:12:12
Okay, so I wanted to look
at some of the basic numbers.
00:20:13:09 - 00:20:16:06
Because I have seen
a lot of numbers out there.
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And that just didn't make sense.
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So let let's look at a $2,000 rent
or mortgage.
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If you have the built Palladium card,
which is the one that earns
00:20:26:06 - 00:20:29:10
two points
per dollar on all of the other spend,
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you would
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need to spend $1,500 in additional
spending on that card and built 2.0.
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So that very first program I talked about,
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you would earn 2000 points from your rent,
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3000 points from your spend.
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So that's a total of 5000 points
for a total of $3,500 in spend.
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That works out to 1.43 points per dollar,
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which is.
00:21:00:15 - 00:21:02:18
Isn't that exciting?
00:21:02:18 - 00:21:06:14
It it
I it just that doesn't make sense to me.
00:21:06:21 - 00:21:11:14
And it's not an easy 1.4
or $0.03 or points per dollar
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because you have to keep track
of a lot of things every single month
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and kind of jump
through some hoops to make that happen.
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Let's look at Bill 2.1, which is that
secondary program that they added
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two days later to simplify things.
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If you had that same $2,000 rent
or mortgage
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and let's say you're going to put 100% of
00:21:33:05 - 00:21:36:23
that spend in non
housing spend on your card,
00:21:37:06 - 00:21:42:13
so you have $2,000 rent, and you're
also spending $2,000 on other purchases.
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Every single month
you would earn 2500 points on your rent.
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So that's 1.25 points per dollar
which sounds great.
00:21:51:10 - 00:21:55:00
You would earn 4000 points
from that spend, two points per dollar,
00:21:55:00 - 00:21:56:10
which is nice.
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So there's a total of of 6.5
6500 points for 4000 spent.
00:22:01:21 - 00:22:04:21
That works out to 1.625 points per dollar.
00:22:05:21 - 00:22:07:15
Better
00:22:07:15 - 00:22:10:15
you know, not not too shabby. But
00:22:11:02 - 00:22:14:10
there's a lot of effort to get that
when you could
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kind of forget the whole rent or mortgage,
00:22:17:18 - 00:22:21:15
put all of your spend on this card,
or like a venture
00:22:21:15 - 00:22:24:15
or a venture X, and you're getting two
points per dollar on everything.
00:22:25:00 - 00:22:25:21
Yeah. So
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for me,
00:22:28:16 - 00:22:31:16
the numbers don't make sense.
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And, you know, I was talking to,
00:22:34:16 - 00:22:37:09
another points in miles.
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Professional,
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who's,
who's pretty well known in this space.
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And we both kind of agreed,
even if we thought
00:22:45:10 - 00:22:48:10
the program made sense,
00:22:49:07 - 00:22:53:03
we cannot recommend it
because it is too complicated.
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This is not something that, you know,
I have a lot of people ask me, oh, what's
00:22:57:07 - 00:22:58:20
what's the credit card
I should be getting?
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What program
should I be getting into first?
00:23:01:19 - 00:23:04:19
I am not explaining this to Joe
from down the street.
00:23:05:01 - 00:23:05:13
You know.
00:23:05:13 - 00:23:09:05
Because every point in Miles professional
I've spoken to
00:23:10:07 - 00:23:13:12
is having trouble
grasping this and understanding it and
00:23:13:20 - 00:23:15:14
and making sense of it.
00:23:15:14 - 00:23:19:01
I don't see how an average person can.
00:23:19:10 - 00:23:22:13
I'm sure there are some people out there
that love this and
00:23:23:08 - 00:23:26:16
think, this is the best thing that's
ever happened, and go forth and conquer.
00:23:26:16 - 00:23:27:20
That's great.
00:23:27:20 - 00:23:32:02
But I think for the majority of people,
the complications of this program
00:23:32:16 - 00:23:33:11
are just too much.
00:23:33:11 - 00:23:37:06
And for me, like Bill
cash is worth absolutely nothing.
00:23:38:11 - 00:23:41:07
I don't have a rent or mortgage,
so that's not interesting to me.
00:23:41:07 - 00:23:46:02
And, you know, on the surface you think,
okay, 4% Bill cash, that sounds great.
00:23:47:03 - 00:23:49:19
But like I don't order from Gopuff.
00:23:49:19 - 00:23:52:21
It's a huge pain in something
00:23:52:21 - 00:23:55:21
to have to order from Grubhub every month.
00:23:56:06 - 00:23:59:11
Like, I don't I don't care about
going to a fitness class.
00:23:59:11 - 00:24:01:22
I'm sure they don't even have
fitness classes that I could book on.
00:24:01:22 - 00:24:04:17
Built in Columbus, Ohio.
00:24:04:17 - 00:24:05:21
Like that.
00:24:05:21 - 00:24:08:21
All is so unappealing to me.
00:24:09:17 - 00:24:13:17
So for me personally, I
this is not for me.
00:24:14:13 - 00:24:18:05
I know, I know,
I think one on our team wrote an article.
00:24:18:10 - 00:24:21:00
He was getting the Palladium card
00:24:21:00 - 00:24:24:00
and he was finding value in that program,
at least for a year.
00:24:24:11 - 00:24:27:00
So we can link to that to
for a different perspective.
00:24:28:13 - 00:24:31:06
But what do you think of this, Chris?
00:24:31:06 - 00:24:34:19
Yeah,
I think the problem, like with the fact
00:24:34:19 - 00:24:38:04
that we have to talk so much about it,
it's it says enough like
00:24:39:01 - 00:24:41:14
there are a lot of mental gymnastics
to make the numbers work.
00:24:41:14 - 00:24:45:06
And for a lot of people,
it's probably not worth it.
00:24:45:06 - 00:24:48:12
I agree that the Palladium card,
especially for
00:24:48:12 - 00:24:50:06
the first year, is is worth it.
00:24:50:06 - 00:24:52:14
That, you know, 50,000 bill points.
That's yeah. It's all.
00:24:52:14 - 00:24:54:10
Yeah. And I love bill points.
00:24:54:10 - 00:24:55:14
Good points are great.
00:24:55:14 - 00:24:57:23
Bill points are great. Don't get. It.
Yeah but that's not the arc we.
00:24:57:23 - 00:25:02:00
Love bill points the fantastic transfer
partners I wanted to love this program.
00:25:02:00 - 00:25:02:18
Right. Yeah.
00:25:02:18 - 00:25:05:18
That's why we're trying so hard
to make this make sense.
00:25:05:22 - 00:25:07:04
So you can get more of these points.
00:25:08:05 - 00:25:10:17
But like Katie said, for most people
it's not going to be worth it.
00:25:10:17 - 00:25:13:17
And when Bill first came out,
00:25:15:08 - 00:25:18:16
you know, the whole pitch was you can
earn points on your, your biggest expense,
00:25:19:17 - 00:25:20:08
each month.
00:25:20:08 - 00:25:26:01
And so now to get those points, you need
to spend at least 75% of that total.
00:25:26:01 - 00:25:29:21
So people are now really looking at their,
their spend every month and say,
00:25:29:21 - 00:25:32:21
okay, am I going to spend all of this
on my credit card?
00:25:32:21 - 00:25:35:10
Is it going to be worth it?
00:25:35:10 - 00:25:36:12
I don't think so.
00:25:36:12 - 00:25:37:15
And I think, you know,
00:25:37:15 - 00:25:39:14
I think there are going to be
some more changes coming
00:25:39:14 - 00:25:42:14
and hopefully not
before this episode airs.
00:25:43:12 - 00:25:45:11
But you never know. You never know.
00:25:45:11 - 00:25:46:03
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:46:03 - 00:25:50:08
It feels like they're kind of
abandoning their original target audience.
00:25:50:08 - 00:25:50:18
Those,
00:25:51:19 - 00:25:54:07
those loyalists
who loyalists who have been with them
00:25:54:07 - 00:25:57:07
since the beginning, with those really
big rents and big cities,
00:25:58:09 - 00:26:00:15
and it just feels like they're kind of
00:26:00:15 - 00:26:03:15
losing the core of what they started at.
00:26:03:18 - 00:26:06:10
And I guess I understand that
because it wasn't profitable.
00:26:06:10 - 00:26:09:15
I mean, they they're in a business
like that's not, you know,
00:26:09:15 - 00:26:13:08
throwing out points
for free for your rent.
00:26:13:08 - 00:26:16:01
Just it's not, a way to do this.
00:26:16:01 - 00:26:17:21
Fargo is no longer the car. Yeah.
00:26:17:21 - 00:26:20:02
Make sure I get it from that perspective.
00:26:20:02 - 00:26:21:05
But it's just like they.
00:26:21:05 - 00:26:24:10
I feel like they've dug themselves in hole
and weren't quite sure how to get out.
00:26:24:10 - 00:26:28:09
And yeah, I expect to see
some more changes, from this program.
00:26:29:08 - 00:26:31:22
If you guys have,
you know, other opinions or something
00:26:31:22 - 00:26:34:01
you think we're missing,
we'd love to hear from you.
00:26:34:01 - 00:26:35:03
It's always,
00:26:35:03 - 00:26:37:15
fun to hear different perspectives
about these types of things
00:26:37:15 - 00:26:39:10
because we're
all in different situations, too.
00:26:39:10 - 00:26:43:15
So, you can always reach us at podcast
and upgraded points.com,
00:26:44:02 - 00:26:45:20
and this has been a lot.
00:26:45:20 - 00:26:49:06
So I think we're actually going to skip
our Q&A is we're going to save those
00:26:49:06 - 00:26:53:13
for next week when we hear about Chris's
trip to Japan, which I'm so excited about.
00:26:54:10 - 00:26:58:00
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00:27:03:09 - 00:27:06:09
And Chris, I think that's going to do it
for us this week
00:27:06:20 - 00:27:08:04
and we will see you next week.